Saturday, May 19, 2018

Retrospection of Journey from Aug 2016 – May 2018.


It’s been long time I did high level analysis of trading journey. Today I got some time to look back, analyze and plan for future.

I thought of doing it as blog post, as it may be useful for whom following my blog.

My 98% of trades so far are in Nifty alone. I analyzed trades done between Aug 2016 – May 2018.


Why this period? This is the time I started nifty trading with 10 lots after good break!

I started trading with 10 lots from Aug-2016... it was going very well till May 2017. Average gain used to be around 150 points per month.




May, june, july 2017 are narrow sessions. Where i tried to trade with 15 lots sometimes... couldn’t handle and back to 10 lots.

Again from Jan 2018 (bear market?) average net monthly gain came down... hanging around 80 points as of now.

322 points in 2018 so far... means net 80 points per month... means 24% ROI so far... 6% per month.

But i don’t think its good return, if I think in terms of capital employed and growth of capital (in percentage) while Scaling UP.



Why?

See below

DP Trading -- 1st 26 session performance
Total : 829   Avg per Day : 31



My first month with DP Method... this is called Beginners Luck... Now i can’t even imagine 800 points in a year... once i made it in a month... but 800 points with 2 lots then is equal to 160 points with 10 lots now. Means lot size increased five folds... but average net gain fallen down by 10X

There are two reasons I could think of not doing so well in 2018 (in terms of capital growth in %)

1.       It’s no more structured Bull Run where we get to see nice trend days, where I make most if entered early.
2.       Unable to handle huge pull backs, though I am trying to mitigate risk by downsizing lot quantity to half where ever required.
3.       Lot of choppy days, nearly 50% of small losses can be avoided if don’t attempt. Its pshylogically difficult to sit doing nothing.



When I realized this down curve in February 2018, I along with my husband started exploring new ways to trade,, in fact we put a BREAK to nifty trading for 15 days and explored 4-5 TA methods. 

But none gave satisfactory results that it suits my personality. For me they appeared like Blind trading. Concluded that they are not my cup of tea.



Then started exploring ways to trades.   Below are list of different ways explored.

·         PDH/PDL Cross
·         Scan for Pin Bars
·         BOF at PDH/PDL
·         Trading trending stocks after a PB till VWAP
·         Candle Patterns like Sash, Engulf at PDH/PDL
·         Filtering range stocks EOD and trading range BO

All of above are tested in sequential manner.

Document System à Manual Back Testing in 4-5 stocks à AFL Coding à Scan in Amibroker à Analyze Chart à Do other checks like order flow, space etc  à Trade with small quanity à Weekly Performance Check.

None of them gave us consistent results and not comfortable in the way we doing it.

Reasons could be

1.       Time invested EOD for range bound stocks... Most of times we missed entry at right time and keeping alerts every day is very hectic.
2.       Redundant amibroker scan results and lot time to analyze charts and after analyzing very few tradable signals.
3.       Scan for pin bars, candle patterns didn’t went well
4.       VWAP trades, it requires lot of intraday hunting.



After testing these ways, what we concluded is we are hunting for momentum moves after market settles... Say after 10 AM. This is where problem lies.

Most of stocks move happen in first 30 minutes actually, I used to be active with Nifty either monitoring or managing trades.

Then we decided to split the work. I take care of NIFTY alone & My husband look to trade stocks alone in morning hours.

He tested few more ways what he observed in couple of forums like Trader Ji & StocksOnFire discord group. But no good result, either they too much time consuming for hunting signals or they not suitable for our price action eyes/mind set.

Off late he started observing TRADING TOP GAINER/LOOSER!

For couple of weeks in April, he simply observed how top gainer/looser opening and they behaving after open.

Most of times whatever stocks we see as Top Gainer/Looser by 9:16 – 9:20 time, either they continue in trending direction where opened or reverse in other direction and trend.

He concluded that trading top gainer/looser is less time consuming for analysis and much easier for trade initiation and management. All above it suits our PA eyes and mindset.


Why we think trading Top Gainer/Loser is wise idea?

ü  Our observation for top gainer/loser… Big players take position which they want to move up as soon as market opens… they mostly buy pre-open which result gaps.

ü  Overnight News may attract lot of order flow during open.

ü  Range bound for last N days... breakthrough in form of Gap or fast move in first 10-15 minutes generally & continue gradual trending move henceforth.. If momentum keeps going.

ü  Sometimes we get counter trend gap up for stocks in downtrend in higher time frame... with counter trend gap’s we can expect short covering intraday… (Or) if such gap is to TRAP intraday players, my observation is that even though they opened counter trend gap, they tend to move in direction of higher time frame quickly. In that case our trade won’t get triggered.

From month of MAY, he started trading in stocks with 10% of capital. It going very well.

Let me summarize the process.


Steps:

1.       Add nifty50 stocks as watch list
2.       At 9:16, Sort by High to low and make a note of top 5 stocks,, similarly note top 5 looser
3.       Quickly open all 10 charts
4.       Go through one by one... if Nifty seems in Uptrend,, look at top 5 gainer charts first
5.       Filter stocks which satisfying any of condition

·         Stock broke out of range formed over last 3 or >3 days
·         Stock which is in down trend and today opened gap up, if gapped above PDH much better
·         Stock which is in downtrend and got quick rejection from PDL or any higher time frame support during open time
·         Stock which is in good uptrend and currently trading above PDH
·         News driven gap move -- coupling with any of above condition

6.       Decide position sizing based on risk involved in trade
7.       Pick short candidates in similar fashion as described in step 5

Refer below post for visual idea


Basically we are using same PA concepts what learnt from SMART TRADER.

Selection of right stocks to monitor at right time and with right mindset is the KEY here.

That selection we achieved by Sorting NIFTY stocks at opening time & mindset to decide which one has potential to move in trending direction,, which one may not move is something we applying based on learning’s from Nifty Nirvana & own experience of judging PA.

Below is the statement i would like to share (just to inspire DP Traders that we can trade stocks as well successfully with DP method).

 I generally don't like MTM showoff, as that is the way majority of fake people do fishing. i am making an exception today.



We will continue trading stocks with increased quantity for every 2 weeks of GREEN MTM.
Till today traded with 10% of capital only. From monday going to trade with 20% of capital as we got 2 weeks of green mtm. I hope this momentum gets going as we SCALE UP :)

Successful stock trading in early morning keeps you motivating for rest of day and also you will be fit physiologically to skip not so good setups in Nifty/Bank Nifty. One Shot Two Birds!

Thanks You if you are reading this lengthy post till now :)

Special Thanks to URD for being the role model that we can trade stocks successfully with DP Method.

16 comments:

  1. Im a dp trader. Started trading journey 2013 luckily found nifty nirvana at first sight and i never used any indicator or method because i never waste my time on that. I followed blindly ST words. After around 5 years i able to read price action orderflow and others to initiate trade with high sucess. I found problem with me as well other dp trading friends all are stuck with 10 or 15 lots including me. Once i get to met a successful trader. I am fortunate to see his ledger he trading big quality which is more than 100 lots in nifty to making money. Im more fortunate to see his trading method. Its very fundamental with small edge when compare to Dp method it is nothing. We have a strong method which work on all context even in range days. We are trading the most liquid instrument but we are hesitant to scale up to big. We got role model in trading style. ST. URD all helped to learn the method but we need some one to be role model to trade big and lead us to that dream. Annachi

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    1. Hi Anon,

      Good to know about another successful DP Trader :)
      Happy to listen you are trading with good quantity as well,, as you said 10 lots number is biggest hurdle for me since almost since 2 years now.

      If you are okay to share the other method you are talking about, please do so.. the more simple to digest and execute,, the better the results will be!

      Thanks for the visit and taking time to comment.

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  2. What you are thinking about, you are becoming - Muhammad Ali.

    If you want to become a good trader, you will ultimately find your way to become a good trader.

    You are on right track Rose. Successful trading is never about what instrument or what market you are trading. It is also never about how much money you make from it. Rather, it is all about how well you are trading that instrument/market with ease.

    My only suggestion:
    Try to focus only on one or max two strategies at a time. The strategy can be anything, it can involve momentum chasing or trend trading or benefiting from trapped traders or news flow trading etc and try to master it first before scaling it up. It will also help you focus better and do less mistakes while you master it. Once you master it, only the sky will be a limit for you.

    URD

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    1. Thanks a lot URD for visit and giving your valuable suggestion.

      As you said, we decided to trade on momentum moves asap on top gainer/looser stocks,, after trying different other ways.

      I have few more plans in mind, which i left unfinished.. one of them is finding pin bar patterns through amibroker real time scan,, to filter high potetnal reward setups. As ST sir says,, high momentum moves comes after majority gets trapped.. in my experience most of trapping traders found in Pinbars at PDL/PDH or major S/R. Its due task for future.

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  3. Nice attempt and all the very best.

    A small suggestion:- if possible, keep the posts having educational value organized under a separate label or something (just like "Important Posts" in nifty nirvana)as existing visitors or newbies can find it easily in future.

    Regards,
    Dinil

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  4. Hi Rose,

    Not to question the method or you; the spread sheet image is showing STT=0. how it is possible? Brokerage = 0 I can understand (yearly payment ?, which broker)

    thanks

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    1. I am using finvasia..so zero brokerage.. took this from their backend portal..dont know why they are showing STT zero..though it is part daily contract notes.

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  5. Good educative post, thanks for sharing your experiments and experience in DP trading. I found this post very encouraging and motivating.

    Regards,
    KSG

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    1. KSG,

      Great to hear.. i wanted to showcase struggle behind. You caught the right point :)

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  6. Hi Rose,
    Nice and encouraging post.
    Been a silent follower of your blog.

    Couple of questions, looking forward to your answers.

    1. Do you and your husband trade fulltime? if yes what are the few things you considered before going full time?

    2. I find it little difficult to keep up with my job and keeping tab on the market. Any suggestions on this?

    Having you considered buying NIFTY options as expiry nears? as the movement in slightly OTM options as good as the index movement?


    Thanks,
    Prakash

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    1. pK,

      1. Yes, currently i am playing two roles. housewife and nifty trader. My husband playing in stocks (testing phase with small quanitity right now reached to 20% of future lot size) and he managing other business along with. We getting into full time happened more because of personal reasons, however trading income is good enough as secondary for us.

      2. I understand that.. but with DP method we can manage most of times i believe. u can reduce screen time by optimizing your trading plan to trade few best setups alone and also making use price alerts feature zerodha offering these days.

      Options-- not much aware of

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